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Whats interesting is, as i was shooting those bore dia bullets for the first time is how narrow focused and set we get in our ways.
I was convinced patched to groove is the only way to do it right. Then along comes the Dual diameter bullets and
Now a bore dia bullet falls in my lap.
That got me to thinking, we get a rifle (kind of like Cody did with 40-82 ) and we ring it out, but only in our little narrow venue, namely a certain type of bullet. We try all types of primers, or all weights of powders , or lots of different compressions or different wads but do we try all types of bullets or only the types we like.
So far, i havent got a 40 cal gun to shoot groove dia pp to my liking, so i went back to shooting gg in my 40-65 and it was fun again.
And now i have more options to try pp bullets in my 40-82 and if that doesnt work, i had a real good gg load for it I can go back to.
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Brian, exactly....you are trailing up to where I have been.

In my case it is not about preference, like or dislike, it is about results at the range in competition.

For example: Last week I spent seven days lying on a shooting mat clinging to my Kowa watching the Shooting Machine launch grease groove money bullets from his 45-70 Shiloh hither and yon down range. After hundreds of rounds down range the outcome of the match hung in the balance of the last two shots on the last relay of the last day of the match. Talk about a horse race? Mariah was determined to provide her worst. Gusting winds up to 42 mph coating us with tiny gravel and the Shooting Machine held hard and we waited a long time after shot eight. Time was getting close and a SWAG wind call was agreed upon and The Machine hammered shot nine into the X ring. Target up, intensified condition change. Time short. Another SWAG and sight correction for the last shot, shot number ten. As Yogi used to say, It ain't over till it is over and when the target on the last shot came up a 10 it was jubilation. It is those moments in the crucible of competition that form an indelible impression upon my thinking.

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zack,
i have more faith in your ability than you do yourself.
believe me, you could do it if you really wanted.
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Great story DD. Its really hard to argue with logic, but i keep trying. :cry

I'm curious , how long did you shoot PP bullets? Couple months? Couple years?
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Bruce, you crack me up. Brian, you and Bruce (and others) have been infected by the same self inflicted mind worm.
It is like shopping for a new car, it doesn't take long in the drivability test to determine that a Yugo does not suit my purposes. Seeing what happens to Yugo occupants in a collision cements that belief.

Perhaps we just think differently and therefore have different motivations when shooting.

In competitive shooting I am a pragmatist. Looking around it was easy to see all the top shooters were winning with grease groove bullets. By winning I mean over all match winners, not class winners. However, I don't shoot to win, I shoot to have fun and going to a match with what I consider a load not best suited to that purpose in my rifle handicaps me mentally.

I look at it this way. Shooting well in "competition" is 96% mental, shooting poorly in competition is 100% mental.

Still today, most competitors winning matches shoot grease groove bullets. People shooting matches with paper patched bullets are few and when they crash at a match it is like the post mortem of a Yugo crash and I don't want to go there. Shooting well is fun, shooting poorly is not.
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The biggest mistake a lot of us make is not paying attention what the rifle is telling us. We try to make it perform using cosmetic and with what we think it should shoot well. Not one bullet profile will work with all calibers and loads.

I'm with you Zach, I shoot the matches for fun. To me it's a reunion with friends and there is a difference between a class winner and a match winner, I fall in the mediocre class winner group. :D
The match winners get there by their ability controlling their mind and rifle finding what the best bullet/load works.

Zack try curling your tung on the roof of your mouth instead of sticking it out biting on it before you pull the trigger shooting that PP bullet. :lol:
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DD, I only jest with you because its fun and we don't take the jousting too seriously.
But you are discounting a lot of good shooters Like DT, Brent, Kenny and countless others when you say no top shooters are shooting paperpatch.
Just because they aren't at your venue.

Thankfully Jeannie made me realize, my day job is just too much fun to give up to travel all over the country trying to prove something to someone else.
We have all the matches we could possibly desire right here in SE Montana with a lot of real good shooters to compete against, and even tho they get no respect, its still a lot of fun and PP seems to be just as competitive as any other method.
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semtav wrote:
I only jest with you because its fun and we don't take the jousting too seriously.
Exactly, I have shot with the three paper patchers you mention. All are special cases, literally.

Kenny especially, when he pops open his ammo box to reveal rows and rows of perfectly prepared paper patched 45-110 ammunition one cannot help but marvel at the amount of devotion to attention spent producing those beauties. Truly a sight to behold. Myself, I would undergo separation anxiety just thinking about shooting one of them and virtual depression expending them all. It is what KW does.

And then there is Distant Thunder, now you talk about a special case? This DT is one very special case. Not only his remarkable DT front sights, BUT, he built his own Remington Hepburn 45-70 for long range competition. I was his score keeper at a Lodi Long Range Creedmoor Match. I was positioned behind his right shoulder. In a string of record fire every single one of his shredded paper patches blew back and hit me in the face. That indicated a consistent holding condition as well as a consistent load which the target verified. Lodi is his home range and he shoots it quite well and he was obviously in his element and having a great time. (Which is, after all, what it is all about)

BUT, he did not win the Creedmoor or Regional Long Range Match. Grease groove bullets launched by a first time shooter at Lodi did.
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semtav wrote:
I only jest with you because its fun and we don't take the jousting too seriously.
Exactly, I have shot with the three paper patchers you mention. All are special cases, literally.

Kenny especially, when he pops open his ammo box to reveal rows and rows of perfectly prepared paper patched 45-110 ammunition one cannot help but marvel at the amount of devotion to attention spent producing those beauties. Truly a sight to behold. Myself, I would undergo separation anxiety just thinking about shooting one of them and virtual depression expending them all. It is what KW does.

And then there is Distant Thunder, now you talk about a special case? This DT is one very special case. Not only his remarkable DT front sights, BUT, he built his own Remington Hepburn 45-70 for long range competition. I was his score keeper at a Lodi Long Range Creedmoor Match. I was positioned behind his right shoulder. In a string of record fire every single one of his shredded paper patches blew back and hit me in the face. That indicated a consistent holding condition as well as a consistent load which the target verified. Lodi is his home range and he shoots it quite well and he was obviously in his element and having a great time. (Which is, after all, what it is all about)

BUT, he did not win the Creedmoor or Regional Long Range Match. Grease groove bullets launched by a first time shooter at Lodi did.
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desert deuce wrote: Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:49 am
BUT, he did not win the Creedmoor or Regional Long Range Match. Grease groove bullets launched by a first time shooter at Lodi did.
Obviously it was the GG bullet that won it and not the skill of the shooter or spotter !! 8)
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Desert Deuce's Basic Shooting Philosophy SP-101. :idea:

Find Target Matches that are run by Target Competitors with the desire to put on a quality match that is fun to shoot. :D

Go to that match and have fun. 8)

Class dismissed. :wink:
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Deuce
See ya At Byers, Smithmoor and Cheyenne for sure.
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Who wrote: Obviously it was the GG bullet that won it and not the skill of the shooter or spotter !! 8)

Somebody is not paying attention in class. :roll: There are no spotters in Creedmoor :?
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My mistake. Musta dozed off there for a second. I thought you mentioned two matches !!
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well i shoot for fun, but take doing it quite seriously.
one thing i find using pp ammo is that ammo is one thing not on my mind, leaving room to focus on mariah.
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