Swaging Primer Pockets?

[Kelley O. Roos]

mdeland,

The testing was done years ago. Yes, the pockets have been moved back. Both. No pictures.

Kelley O.

[Kurt]

I went through the flash hole projects
I made them larger, smaller and the two small hole primer pockets like the Berdan flash holes but I must say the Berdan like flash holes did make improvements but the effort is not worth it.
Spend your time at the loading bench and shooting bench developing loads you will be better off.

[Minnesota AL]

I heard a couple months ago that Kermit Tool was sold. No news on what that meant for BPC items, but that wasn't their big sellers no doubt.

Can't find any info on sights on their web page.

[mdeland]

Good ideas guys and thanks for the picture Kurt. I have never seen one of the dies before but could visualize what needed to be done.
I think I will make a cup like I make for an inline seating die to support the case head and turn the anvil in the bottom of it with a pin mandrel sticking up the depth of the pocket to be formed.
I'll make this to fit on top the Rockchucker ram in lue of the shell holder.
The swaging pin will thread in the top of the press upside down with an adjustment lock ring as used on a seating die.
The case will be raised to the top of the ram stroke each time against the swaging pin and the lock ring will adjust the depth.
When the swaging pin kisses the top of the flash hole mandrel the die will be adjusted for depth. The flash hole will need to be re-chamfered anyway and this will clear the swage over brass fin.
So should the hole be left normal size or does it need to be reduce to .060? I thought the .060 was because of high pressure not any gain in uniformity.
I need to get this stock job done first but should be able to make these in a couple of evenings work.
I'll use some new brass I picked up at the range the other day for free and make up 20 cases to try out.
Kurt could you mic your anvil width and height for me so I will know how big to make it as brass spring back will probably necessitate it being made smaller than actual pocket size needed.
Woody, if this works I'll be happy to loan them to you to try out as this is after all your idea and thread. I will want to make it long enough to accommodate a 45-90.
I wonder if it needs to be heat treated as brass is substantially softer than steel ?MD

[Michael Rix]

Hey Woody,
Cold and clear here... COLD as Hell and Clear up to our A$$ !
Winter is here.

About the the primers and pockets. I think if it ain't broken, well, you know the the rest, but I understand you not wanting to have a caved in block too. I would try the DanT .008" paper fix and maybe the numbers will get better too, or not. I can not prove anything much one way or the other. I saw what I thought was a better load at one time with the primer wad (PW) but now I am not too sure. I'm testing Standard CCI 200 primers with the PW but have not completed that yet. If I can get the standard primers to group like the BR primers I could save some $ over time. Like in two years of shooting maybe enough to have a half tank of fuel for the truck! That would just about pay for the trips to the range testing it!
In all the rifles that work with the pistol primers, I think that is the way to go for me.

Maybe Kelley will pass alone a free tip if he finds a sub for the BR primer... if only he could be trusted. Ha-ha! “Wolf primersâ€

[Kelley O. Roos]

Michael Rix,

"Yeah SURE! And I got a rifle to sell you!" OK, what kinda rifle

Wolf primers have been around awhile. The high-power guys and bench rest guys had good luck with them for awhile and then Wolf did something to those old primers and the next batch of primers went south accuracy wise. I have shoot some and they seem to shoot well, so far, at lest as well as Fed. 150 match large pistol, which is what I shoot.

I try to give out the best information I have in a no B.S. manor. You ask me a question and I'll answer to the best of my knowledge. If anyone knows more or has better information, I'll shut-up and listen, becuase I'm always will to learn. Most of the time I'll tinker until I figure something out on my own. I'll only ask a question if I'm sure the person I'm asking possibly has the answer.

That last isn't directed at anyone in general, it's just how I think.

Kelley O.

[Woody]

Morning Michael,

I came in from pheasant hunting. We had two beautiful days afield with great dogs and cooperative birds. The Gibbs got blooded and we should have some good eats at Raton next summer. As for if it ain't broke. Well I'm still not sure about the 45-90. It's not been fixed yet. Just asking questions and seeking solutions.

Woody

[Kurt]

Kelley.
The last sleeve of Wolf I got the primer cups are so hard I have to pull the hammer 2 times 80% of the time before they go off in the sharps.
They are nothing like they were when they first came out.

Kurt

[Kurt]

By the way, no problem in the trapdoor

[choken53]

Well Kelley ...I just learned why you have never asked me a question !!!! ...although I have asked you plenty !!!! LOL

[Kelley O. Roos]

You can rest assured Ken, when I need to know anything about nuclear biology I'm asking you

Kelley O.

[Timberlake]

The posts regarding Wolf primers see to mimic my experience with Wolf .22 rimfire match ammo. Worked great for a couple years and then, for me, went down the crapper. Maybe they farmed the work out to China. Recon?

TL
2nd GUSA

[Kelley O. Roos]

There is a primer that works really well for B.P.. problem is we can't get any

Kelley O.

[arnie]

Keley and group .I tried some Wolf large pistol primers in a limited test at rams .I shot my 10 rams with the same exact load i use with Fed 150gm and they shot fine ,havent played with them any more since . They are in a red and black box .Lot number says 24-09. I put a .013 thick paper wad between the primer and the pocket seat and that seems to keep the pistol primers from seating too deep.If i do this with rifle primers it will hold them above the base of the case so the wad definately is holding the primer from seating too deep and i am convinced this helps accuracy also. RWS primers work real good but if you think BR2 are expensive ,price RWS if you can find any .Arnie

[Steve Rhoades]

Kelly,
Are you referring to the Unobtaineum 2.50 Lg Pistol Primers?
Steve R.
AZ.