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Thanks Chris, that is the info I was looking for....
I have a lot of 20/1 and just used up all the 16/1 I had.
tomorrow I'll cast up a bunch of 20's and hope for the best.

stay well....and Merry Christmas....Ken

kenny sd, if you look at the pics. of Kurt's bullets that he has posted many times, I think you will change your mind on the 20-1 and stick to the 16-1.

1/20 will work just fine even when the nose gets set back. It's even a benefit with the long nosed Money bullets changing the balance point of that long ogive to the shank.
But if it does not set back even it will dig dirt instead cutting paper or putting a lead splatter on iron.

Kurt,

Please forgive me as I am a novice when it comes to casting and loading for black powder cartridge. I had been planning on using 1/20 with a Money bullet so when you are referring to "the nose gets set back" what does that refer to? My future scores may depend on your answer.

Thanks much,

-Ron

Ron,

When I said that the nose gets setback I should really say the base gets pushed ahead, maybe sone of the ogive also sets back, I cant say for sure with out seeing a test setup with a camera and hitting the bullet base to really see what is going on.
These bullets get shortened up as much as .090" some more and most of the movement is on the ogive expanding it filling the grooves above where the shank meets the ogive radius.
But it can go the other way also if the alloy temper is to soft for the rotational twist and getting pushed to fast like those .30-30 bullets.

Ron,

I might add. I have a friend that shoots a .45-110 and he uses a PP MB cast with 1/20 and he usually ends up on top or very close to the top at the Gong shoots when he gets the first shot hit. Mostly no sighters at those matches.
Even 1/16 lead/tin you will find land marks on the ogive ahead of the shank that don't hurt a thing except you will be cleaning out some lead smears when your done shooting.

ScrapMetal wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 2:26 am Kurt,

Please forgive me as I am a novice when it comes to casting and loading for black powder cartridge. I had been planning on using 1/20 with a Money bullet so when you are referring to "the nose gets set back" what does that refer to? My future scores may depend on your answer.

Thanks much,

-Ron

If you go over to the proofing my load thread, Kurt posted a picture there that explains pretty clearly why most of us using the money bullet use 16-1 over 20-1.

When I was shooting a GG money bullet, switching from 20-1 to 16 -1 helped my shooting immensely.
Then when I switched to groove dia paperpatching I kept getting dirt diggers with the 16-1. Switching to 12.5-1 eliminated dirt diggers.

It all depends on your particular load, bullet, and fit. Only you can figure out what works best under your conditions.

Tried some harder alloy than the 16-1 in the patched bullets, found that didn't help a lot. So the final determination was that any dirt diggers didn't have as much to do with the alloy as it does a few other things including shooter error.

Don McDowell wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:26 am Tried some harder alloy than the 16-1 in the patched bullets, found that didn't help a lot. So the final determination was that any dirt diggers didn't have as much to do with the alloy as it does a few other things including shooter error.

In your mind Don. Not mine.
You don't shoot patched to groove

There’s a reason for that

Don McDowell wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 1:10 pm There’s a reason for that

Yes. I'm just a lowly refrig door/ gong shooter.

I defer.

I still have the barrel from my Farmingdale that I had replaced, likely too quickly, because I couldn’t figure out how to make it shoot. I’ve since watched Brian shoot and could have learned from him. But I am happy patching to bore diameter now.

One of the reasons I like getting the Black Powder Cartridge News is the listing of the Equipment that shooters use when they happen to post it. I also scour the Match Results on here. Valuable info for anyone that shoots out to 1000. 20:1 seems to be a pretty good choice with the money bullet. At least for someone shooting grease groove.