THE LATEST ATTACK ON OUR GUNS
- Lee Stone
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THE LATEST ATTACK ON OUR GUNS
I'm sorry that this is a little lengthy, but I think we should all be aware of this lates avenue of attack by the liberals on our guns. I received the below e-mail this morning. I'm not sure how we can stop OSHA from making whatever rules they want. They seem to have more power than the average government agency. Anyway, here is what I recieved:
Well folks, here comes the preverbal camel again trying to get it's nose in
the tent. This could well and may have already expand to all powder either
black or smokeless. If this goes thru once you use up the powder you have on
hand you might as well park em cause you isn't getting no more powder. Not
easily anyways! JG
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 10:13 AM
Subject: RE: [Fwd: OSHA proposed rulemaking which threatens Fedex/UPS
shipments]
This proposal, if adopted, will serve to eliminate all shipments of BP by
UPS, FedEx, DHL, etc. Only the common carriers that are already doing the
bulk hauling will be available. There will be no BP available at the gun
shops, only direct from the distributors, unless you ship by the semi-load.
There are several other provisions further down in the sited section which
go even further (requiring constant attendance (no potty breaks, etc.) for
drivers, additional cargo segregation and fireproof storage, infringement on
private property rights, requiring fork lift operators to have a hazmat
license, etc. This appears to be a blatant attempt by OSHA to stop the
distribution of explosive materials under the guise of "employee safety".
RW
Ralph E. Walker
Director
Williamson County Center
Columbia State Community College
(615) 790-4403
-----Original Message-----
From: Terri [mailto:mblastdop@seidata.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:12 AM
To: Winston Roland; Buddy Townsend; Walker, Ralph E.; M.J. Longstreth;
Sharron Smith; Eric Bye
Cc: Jim Fulmer; Mike Yazel
Subject: [Fwd: OSHA proposed rulemaking which threatens Fedex/UPS shipments]
-------- Original Message --------
Subject:
OSHA proposed rulemaking which threatens Fedex/UPS shipments
Date:
Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:55:20 -0700 (PDT)
From:
<bpm806>
Reply-To:
bpm806-asepo@yahoo.com
To:
mblastdop@seidata.com
Hello Ms. Trowbridge, Nice to speak with you! As you know from
ourconversation, unfortunately a pending OSHA notice ofproposed rulemaking
is likely to result in UPS andFedEx no longer accepting explosives(!) I've
attached the document in question. The partreferring to the problematic fire
extinguisher changeis on page 18840, top of the center column, startingwith
(iv). This is well over what DOT requires currently. Giventhe number of
trucks they all have, any of which couldbe carrying a package of igniters
for example, thiswould be a huge cost to UPS and FedEx and they'resimply not
willing to do it. It's worth noting that while there are very
usefulexemptions in the DOT regs in 49 CFR which allow usall to ship black
powder as a flammable solid (and notas an explosive), OSHA probably won't
see it that waysince their regulations (27 CFR) don't have thoseexemptions.
Needless to say this would be terrible for all of us.The best chance we have
of preventing this hugeproblem is to have a lot of people write
inopposition. I'm working on getting as many people in our biz to doso and
would be grateful if you and the NationalMuzzle Loading Rifle Association
would as well.Please also spread the word among your friends andcolleagues.
The deadline is July 12. A short, simple letter ofopposition stating that
changes which threaten thediscontinuation of FedEx/UPS service shouldn't
beimplemented will do and here's where to send it: Electronically:
http://www.regulations.govFollow the instructions on-line for making
electronicsubmissions. or Fax: (202) 693-1648 (10 pages or less) or Mail,
hand delivery, courier service: OSHA Docket Office, Docket No.
OSHA-2007-0032,U.S. Department of Labor, RoomN-2625, 200 Constitution
Avenue, NW.,Washington, DC 20210. All submissions must include the Agency
name(Occupational Safety and Health Administration / OSHA)and the docket
number (Docket No. OSHA-2007-0032).Please put these in the heading of your
submission. These instructions are also at the beginning of theattachment.
Thanks very much for your effort and assistance onthis! Tassilo BaurChair,
Alliance of Special Effects and PyrotechnicOperators
(ASEPO)www.ASEPO.org(818) 365-9208(818) 841-1271
Well folks, here comes the preverbal camel again trying to get it's nose in
the tent. This could well and may have already expand to all powder either
black or smokeless. If this goes thru once you use up the powder you have on
hand you might as well park em cause you isn't getting no more powder. Not
easily anyways! JG
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 10:13 AM
Subject: RE: [Fwd: OSHA proposed rulemaking which threatens Fedex/UPS
shipments]
This proposal, if adopted, will serve to eliminate all shipments of BP by
UPS, FedEx, DHL, etc. Only the common carriers that are already doing the
bulk hauling will be available. There will be no BP available at the gun
shops, only direct from the distributors, unless you ship by the semi-load.
There are several other provisions further down in the sited section which
go even further (requiring constant attendance (no potty breaks, etc.) for
drivers, additional cargo segregation and fireproof storage, infringement on
private property rights, requiring fork lift operators to have a hazmat
license, etc. This appears to be a blatant attempt by OSHA to stop the
distribution of explosive materials under the guise of "employee safety".
RW
Ralph E. Walker
Director
Williamson County Center
Columbia State Community College
(615) 790-4403
-----Original Message-----
From: Terri [mailto:mblastdop@seidata.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:12 AM
To: Winston Roland; Buddy Townsend; Walker, Ralph E.; M.J. Longstreth;
Sharron Smith; Eric Bye
Cc: Jim Fulmer; Mike Yazel
Subject: [Fwd: OSHA proposed rulemaking which threatens Fedex/UPS shipments]
-------- Original Message --------
Subject:
OSHA proposed rulemaking which threatens Fedex/UPS shipments
Date:
Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:55:20 -0700 (PDT)
From:
<bpm806>
Reply-To:
bpm806-asepo@yahoo.com
To:
mblastdop@seidata.com
Hello Ms. Trowbridge, Nice to speak with you! As you know from
ourconversation, unfortunately a pending OSHA notice ofproposed rulemaking
is likely to result in UPS andFedEx no longer accepting explosives(!) I've
attached the document in question. The partreferring to the problematic fire
extinguisher changeis on page 18840, top of the center column, startingwith
(iv). This is well over what DOT requires currently. Giventhe number of
trucks they all have, any of which couldbe carrying a package of igniters
for example, thiswould be a huge cost to UPS and FedEx and they'resimply not
willing to do it. It's worth noting that while there are very
usefulexemptions in the DOT regs in 49 CFR which allow usall to ship black
powder as a flammable solid (and notas an explosive), OSHA probably won't
see it that waysince their regulations (27 CFR) don't have thoseexemptions.
Needless to say this would be terrible for all of us.The best chance we have
of preventing this hugeproblem is to have a lot of people write
inopposition. I'm working on getting as many people in our biz to doso and
would be grateful if you and the NationalMuzzle Loading Rifle Association
would as well.Please also spread the word among your friends andcolleagues.
The deadline is July 12. A short, simple letter ofopposition stating that
changes which threaten thediscontinuation of FedEx/UPS service shouldn't
beimplemented will do and here's where to send it: Electronically:
http://www.regulations.govFollow the instructions on-line for making
electronicsubmissions. or Fax: (202) 693-1648 (10 pages or less) or Mail,
hand delivery, courier service: OSHA Docket Office, Docket No.
OSHA-2007-0032,U.S. Department of Labor, RoomN-2625, 200 Constitution
Avenue, NW.,Washington, DC 20210. All submissions must include the Agency
name(Occupational Safety and Health Administration / OSHA)and the docket
number (Docket No. OSHA-2007-0032).Please put these in the heading of your
submission. These instructions are also at the beginning of theattachment.
Thanks very much for your effort and assistance onthis! Tassilo BaurChair,
Alliance of Special Effects and PyrotechnicOperators
(ASEPO)www.ASEPO.org(818) 365-9208(818) 841-1271
Lee Stone
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I sent a copy of this to NRA and asked them what they know about it. If this is true and is put into force, I can see an end to reloading of any sort because the normal distributors of gunpowder of any kind wont be able to afford the type of shipping that OSHA will demand.
I'll be curious to see if and what NRA will reply.
I'll be curious to see if and what NRA will reply.
Lee Stone
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Letter to Senator!
Board
Here's a letter I've sent to Senator David Vitter, Louisiana! Please feel free to substitute names, etc. as needed to mail to your appropriate Rep!
Letter
Dear Senator Vitter:
Once again the opponents of 2nd Amendment Rights have come up with a proposal to stop all sports shooting by those of us whom compete and hunt with Black Powder firearms. Enclosed herein is an excerpt from correspondence regarding OSHA and its proposed 'new ruling' regarding shipment or the prevention thereof of components and or Sporting Black Powder to authorized sporting goods store owners or dealers thereof for resale!
Excerpt:
Subject: RE: [Fwd: OSHA proposed rulemaking which threatens Fedex/UPS
shipments]
This proposal, if adopted, will serve to eliminate all shipments of Black Powder by
UPS, FedEx, DHL, etc. Only the common carriers that are already doing the
bulk hauling will be available. There will be no Black Powder available at the gun
shops, only direct from the distributors, unless you ship by the semi-load.
There are several other provisions further down in the sited section which
go even further (requiring constant attendance (no potty breaks, etc.) for
drivers, additional cargo segregation and fireproof storage, infringement on
private property rights, requiring fork lift operators to have a hazmat
license, etc. This appears to be a blatant attempt by OSHA to stop the
distribution of explosive materials under the guise of "employee safety". End
In my opinion this is a gross infringement upon not only defenders of 2nd Amendment Rights and all firearms owners but also against the rules of free interstate commerce activity between legally authorized holders of Federal Firearms Licensed dealers!
It is with the utmost urgency that I request from you consideration of 'squashing' this activity at the earliest possible moment!
Respectfully
Here's a letter I've sent to Senator David Vitter, Louisiana! Please feel free to substitute names, etc. as needed to mail to your appropriate Rep!
Letter
Dear Senator Vitter:
Once again the opponents of 2nd Amendment Rights have come up with a proposal to stop all sports shooting by those of us whom compete and hunt with Black Powder firearms. Enclosed herein is an excerpt from correspondence regarding OSHA and its proposed 'new ruling' regarding shipment or the prevention thereof of components and or Sporting Black Powder to authorized sporting goods store owners or dealers thereof for resale!
Excerpt:
Subject: RE: [Fwd: OSHA proposed rulemaking which threatens Fedex/UPS
shipments]
This proposal, if adopted, will serve to eliminate all shipments of Black Powder by
UPS, FedEx, DHL, etc. Only the common carriers that are already doing the
bulk hauling will be available. There will be no Black Powder available at the gun
shops, only direct from the distributors, unless you ship by the semi-load.
There are several other provisions further down in the sited section which
go even further (requiring constant attendance (no potty breaks, etc.) for
drivers, additional cargo segregation and fireproof storage, infringement on
private property rights, requiring fork lift operators to have a hazmat
license, etc. This appears to be a blatant attempt by OSHA to stop the
distribution of explosive materials under the guise of "employee safety". End
In my opinion this is a gross infringement upon not only defenders of 2nd Amendment Rights and all firearms owners but also against the rules of free interstate commerce activity between legally authorized holders of Federal Firearms Licensed dealers!
It is with the utmost urgency that I request from you consideration of 'squashing' this activity at the earliest possible moment!
Respectfully
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Form letters of any type, legalese or not, have less impact than a simple personalized letter from you to him (or her as the case may be).Creedmoor wrote:It would be useful if someone who speaks legalese could put together a sample letter for the rest of us ignert rednecks to copy and forward to our "representatives".
Brent
Just straddling the hard line between "the arrogance of dogmatism and the despair of skepticism"
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Scota45-70, If your tired ----- Get active. I have letters that I wrote with a copy of the Lee Stone posting off to my senators and congressman via snail mai. Also called all three of thier local offices. And there will be follow ups. Mygila aka My Mangum Las Cruces, NM
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Hi Lee
Seems that some official idiots swap over from Germany to US. These regulations you fear - we have this over here. For the allowness of buying powder bp or smokeless -you need a permission. cost 150 usd - valid for 5 years. quanities will be limited for these period. ( I have 10 kg BP and 10 Nitro...) After having the allowness - without any notice - official have the right to check how and where you store your powder. BP together with nitro - not allowed in the same box. In separate boxes max 2 kg BP and 1 kg nitro....., than you need a 12 lbs fire distinguisher...Aftre 5 five years the permission needs to be prolonged. Again 100 uSd for the next 5 years. After 3 times of prolongation the permission is fully stamped. You have to make this new from the beginning. Transport of BP in a car is allowd to 2 kg. Not together with nitro. A so called "Kombi" with no trunk is not allowed because you have no separate trunk....
Guys, the fun is getting started now in US. Fight for your rights as long as you can. We have lost......but best is to know some backdoors -which are sometimes not legal
Have fun
Eckhard - and sorry for my bad english
Seems that some official idiots swap over from Germany to US. These regulations you fear - we have this over here. For the allowness of buying powder bp or smokeless -you need a permission. cost 150 usd - valid for 5 years. quanities will be limited for these period. ( I have 10 kg BP and 10 Nitro...) After having the allowness - without any notice - official have the right to check how and where you store your powder. BP together with nitro - not allowed in the same box. In separate boxes max 2 kg BP and 1 kg nitro....., than you need a 12 lbs fire distinguisher...Aftre 5 five years the permission needs to be prolonged. Again 100 uSd for the next 5 years. After 3 times of prolongation the permission is fully stamped. You have to make this new from the beginning. Transport of BP in a car is allowd to 2 kg. Not together with nitro. A so called "Kombi" with no trunk is not allowed because you have no separate trunk....
Guys, the fun is getting started now in US. Fight for your rights as long as you can. We have lost......but best is to know some backdoors -which are sometimes not legal
Have fun
Eckhard - and sorry for my bad english
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I scattered this link around other BP and ML forums. One one the moderator removed it twice. On other forums folks don't seem to care.
This is huge. If it happens we are out of business. Put your guns is a safe and go fishing it it happens. Please take the time to read the wording of it. The part we care about it near the bottom.
-no shipping BP
-no shipping primers
-no powder and primers in the same room at a gunshop
-No powder/ primers or ammunition together.
This is huge. If it happens we are out of business. Put your guns is a safe and go fishing it it happens. Please take the time to read the wording of it. The part we care about it near the bottom.
-no shipping BP
-no shipping primers
-no powder and primers in the same room at a gunshop
-No powder/ primers or ammunition together.
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Here is the link:
http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspublic/component/main/
Pick osha
then pick the explosives one.
IT is mostly about mining but they stuck in powder and primers
http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspublic/component/main/
Pick osha
then pick the explosives one.
IT is mostly about mining but they stuck in powder and primers
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